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Returning to the show this week is Motive Power CEO Angel Lance to talk about the National Public Utility Council, a new effort by Motive and Zpryme to provide information about utility decarbonization efforts as well as forums for utilities to share their experiences for the sake of better strategizing going forward. We also talk about the human factor behind decarbonization and how the industry and planet can actually be improved with a bit of know-how and bravery.